Scientific theory and its advocates have always viewed creationism, which is basically a belief that the origin of earth is miracoulous. My question to everyone at odds with intelligent design creationism is this: 2000 years ago, how did we truly know the world was round?
I ask this question, and bring to light that the Quran has stated this in its scripture at a time when the world was thought to be flat: Wouldnt that be considered scientifically absurd?
My favorite argument is about the theory of evolution. It doesnt have to be touted the way it is ... What if it was the other way round, and apes came from humans? And the the fossils to prove this havent been found?
My point is that there is LOT of finger-pointing, name-calling and mockery,,, But the facts dont all pop out at once, It takes a little time, ESPECIALLY when it comes to complicated matters such as the origin of earth... Im just saying that intelligent design creationism can be related to scientific theories, its just not been been proved yet.
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Eratothanes measured the circumfrerence of the earth in 240 B.C. so it was very well established that the earth was a sphere by that time.
Early Greeks knew the earth was round by watching the shadow of the earth onthe moon during eclipses, watchign ships "sink" below the horizon at sea and recognizinghtat stars were visible from one geographic location closer to the equator and not in another further from the equator.
All by 300 B.C-- nine centuries before the Quran. Ignorance cannot be repressed. It springs eternal.
"What if it was the other way round, and monkeys came from humans and not the other way around?"
Are yu familiar with DNA mutations? The answer is "c. Noneof the above."
Both current day monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor that is appreciably different from both today's humans and today's monkeys.
anon: excellent point about the greeks, Im considering editing my post to figure that in, apparently the belief of a flat earth was brought up later,,,(go figure)
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I had a major mistake in my post: I said monkeys while meaning apes (considering humans are supposedly from a superfamily of apes) theory of evolution pretty much sees humans as an evolution from this very family with scientists basing their theory on things like this (taken from Wikipedia)----------> "Taung baby was a bipedal human ancestor, a transitional form between apes and humans"
what if all the other apes/monkeys are a subspecies/breakdown of humans, with the fossils to prove this not found yet?
My point is that it is hard to prove creationism wrong when there is little evidence to the contrary.
But here is the kicker, maybe that lack of evidence is exactly what makes the scientists seem right?
Maybe, or maybe these theories can logically be linked to intelligent design creationism?
I choose the latter, personally :-)
about the theory of evolution, i think you are absolutly right.
it always reminded me of the question who came first, the egg or the chicken?
Current scientific dogma especially when represented in the discourse between the theory of evolution and creationism is symbolic of an older battle between science and Christendom.
The Christian Church especially the Roman Catholic church has done its upmost throughout its history until relatively recently to kill and torture anyone including scientists who question their "way of things."
It is this discourse that that poisioned the the atomsphere between science and religion especially in the west.
Contrast this with Islamic history which from the very start embraced science and used it for the betterment of mankind.
well there is a recent scientific theory i heard about which may help you out. I forget the actual name, but it supports the theory of 'intelligent-design'.
Scientists studied the randomness of evolution, and formulated an equation which would help follow its track. Meaning, an equation that helps estimate the time it would take for random evolution to take place according to natural observation. So, they estimated the time it would take for a species to evolve, naturally, from a small species to a full-bodied human. The time that was calculated for that to happen was a few billion years, basically much longer than it took for us to actually exist. In other words, IF evolution had occured randomly according to natural standards, we wouldnt even be created or fully developed humans yet. So at some point during evolution, there had to be an external force, or energy, which helped evolution occur less randomly so to speak. You can call it a stimulation in the process. So its basically implying that there had to have been some sort of being, higher power, to help this sort of stimulation occur.
I personally believe that is very logical and could have happened. Of course no one knows exactly how the earth was created and so on, but we have to be able use our understanding of the natural world, science, and systematical thinking to help us out.
Islam doesnt negate the theory of evolution. All this science that has been developed are tools to help us out, to help prove to us that God really does exist. Thats the whole point of science in my understanding....it all leads back to the source. ;p
Thats why the first ayah to come down from Allah was Iqra', to read, as reading is basic necessity to obtaining knowledge. Knowledge about who or what, ... Allah of course. And the ayah isnt specific, meaning that it doesnt imply for the prophet, or all muslims for that matter, to just read the Qur'an. You should read all topics, broaden your reading, not only the qur'an. So basically its a command from Allah..... obtaining knowledge is a direct order for all muslims.
"All this science that has been developed are tools to help us out, to help prove to us that God really does exist."...
I love that comment, my sentiments exactly!
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